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    April 18, 2006
    Many vehicles have lower energy cost than hybrids
    by Alex Law , Auto123


    Jeep TJ has lowest lifetime energy cost


    Hybrids may use a little less fuel on the road than many of the other new models, but they're really poor performers when you count their lifetime energy costs, and when it comes to which vehicles use the least energy it's wrong to judge a vehicle by its cover.

    So, if using less energy of all kinds is important to you, there are more than 150 better choices than any hybrid available today, starting with the Jeep TJ (soon-to-be Wrangler).


    This is the compelling finding of a comprehensive study by CNW Marketing Research of the lifetime energy usage of all the cars sold in the U.S. This study shows that popular hybrids such as the Ford Escape, Honda Accord and Civic, and Toyota Prius are at the back of the pack when you add up the energy necessary to plan, build, sell, drive and dispose of a vehicle from initial concept to scrappage.


    Indeed, the study shows that those hybrids can cost society (if not their owners) three times more per mile in energy costs over the lifetime of the vehicle than many cars, trucks and SUVs of all kinds. Hybrid vehicles are even a lot more expensive than the same car with a traditional powertrain.


    While the results are crafted from U.S. costs and wouldn't strictly apply in Canada, there's no question that the energy cost relationship between vehicles would be the same here.


    (The Scion xB and Ford Escort actually get lower numbers than the Jeep TJ, but Toyota Canada hasn't seen fit to bring the former model to Canada yet and Ford of Canada stopped selling Escort some time back.)


    The 20 vehicles with the lowest lifetime energy costs per mile (in U.S. dollars) are:


    Jeep TJ (Wrangler): $0.604
    Chevrolet Tracker: $0.694
    Toyota Echo: $0.703
    Saturn Ion: $0.709
    Hyundai Elantra: $0.723
    Dodge SX2.0: $0.728
    Toyota Corolla: $0.732
    Chevrolet Cavalier: $0.757
    Pontiac Sunfire: $0.758
    Chevrolet Aveo: $0.765
    Mazda Protegé: $0.772
    Chevrolet S10: $0.779
    Ford Focus: $0.0803
    Hyundai Accent: $0.840
    Kia Spectra: $0.864
    Mitsubishi Lancer: $0.872
    Suzuki Aerio: $0.888
    Nissan Sentra: $0.962
    Kia Rio: $0.964
    Ford Ranger: $0.968

    You have all seen the emails about not buying gas from exxon and mobil - same company, forcing them to lower prices to be competitive.
    Do you think that would really drive prices down?

    Yikes. There is over $20k into my 99 TJ.
    It has been therapy for me. I typically would never invest that kind of money into a toy. It's not practical. I will never recover that $$$. So I stopped thinking of it...now thanks to this post :badidea: I have totalled up the cost of the goodies.
    I guess that's why they say it's a jeep thing and you wouldn't understand. Once I got started I couldn't stop. It's like crack on wheels!!

    Took the TJ to get inspected today. I was worried about the lift, the window decals, muffler, etc.. All of that passed but failed because of the brakes. Found out the brakes were caked with mud. Cleaned them and it passed!!!
    No issues at all w/ the window stickers or 3rd brake light. Wierd huh?