CHSP access discussions

Quote from sandtostand

it sounded as though if they come up with a way to limit the volume of vehicles and partying on the beach that the fishing rule may be loosened up some.

Banning alcohol and actually enforcing it would certainly do that.

Gotta remember too, this whole program was designed for people that actually want to surf fish.

The DMS are large, well organized and carry a lot of clout. I think they want their beach back.

I got my first tag back in 1983, and I can tell you things have changed in 30+ years.

The SUV has probably had the largest influence in the surf beach dynamic.

I remember seeing the hard core guys that would come out with nothing more than a rod and a tin coffee can filled with bucktails and rubber worms.

Now, standard equipment includes shower stalls, tents, video projectors, etc.

Not saying it's wrong in my book, but I think it's blurred what the original intent of the program was.

Quote from keith_c

Banning alcohol and actually enforcing it would certainly do that.

That would probably drive away a good amount of fishers too.

Quote from Solomi

We have a few threads on that (http://www.delawareja.com/forum/index.php?board=23.0), but basically you need your
surf fishing permit
your receipt for your permit
pole
bait
tackle
tow strap
air gauge
shovel
board of wood
jack

http://www.destateparks.com/ac…ng/surf-fishing/rules.asp

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I meant nessesities for the fishing part. Like what type of tackle/hooks/tools/bait ect. .
Ive only ever fresh water fished and I imagine its alot different. Im covered on the driving on the beach items.

Quote from keith_c

Gotta remember too, this whole program was designed for people that actually want to surf fish.

The DMS are large, well organized and carry a lot of clout. I think they want their beach back.

I got my first tag back in 1983, and I can tell you things have changed in 30+ years.

The SUV has probably had the largest influence in the surf beach dynamic.

I remember seeing the hard core guys that would come out with nothing more than a rod and a tin coffee can filled with bucktails and rubber worms.

Now, standard equipment includes shower stalls, tents, video projectors, etc.

Not saying it's wrong in my book, but I think it's blurred what the original intent of the program was.

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This ^ I avoid peak hours during the summer so that I don't have to deal with the BS. (Had some bad experiences in the past)

No alcohol, a reservation system and enforcing current rules would solve a lot of the issues.

I do feel for the Rangers as they are spread thin and overwhelmed.

I'm all for enforcing the current rules, but starting up a reservation system and banning alcohol will most likely result in myself (and most of my beach friends) never returning. Great for the dedicated folks who want to catch food....and absolutely nobody else. I'm not there to catch my limit of fish...and typically my biggest offense is having beer in a bottle instead of a can. Other than that I'm fine with the beach behavior I'm surrounded by when I hit CHSP.

I read a couple people saying they have had bad experiences in the past. Other then being crowed during the time you went what are these bad experiences that make you favor new rules being enforced?

Quote from JKgray10

I read a couple people saying they have had bad experiences in the past. Other then being crowed during the time you went what are these bad experiences that make you favor new rules being enforced?

Personally I fish and enjoy, I have been surf fishing for the better part of 18 years at CHSP, Camping, day trips , weekends and week days. Never had a major problem. Only annoyance is people casting a 2oz rig and ignoring it as it drifts past and catches everyone else's rigs, and people getting pissed off when you are casting where they are swimming and perhaps bad country music played way too loud (no offence Mike! )

Quote from JKgray10

I read a couple people saying they have had bad experiences in the past. Other then being crowed during the time you went what are these bad experiences that make you favor new rules being enforced?

My bad experience involved an intoxicated and belligerent group with a blatant disregard to ANY of the current rules at that time. Had one of my friends that was there with us not been a state trooper, it may have gotten a lot worse. That was the last and the worst incident. Other than that it is general annoyances. IE. disrespectful people, loud music, over crowding your space(parking so close they hit your vehicle every time they open their door), swimming around your lines etc...
I do not have an issue with alcohol on the beach, just the people who drink too much. If partying on the beach has become a major concern for DNREC, then ban the alcohol, problem solved. If overcrowding is a major concern then employ a system to regulate the number of vehicles on the beach at one time. If it is getting discussed as Bob says it is then there must be quite a few complaints and a push for changes.
Everyone needs to remember the SOLE purpose of the Surf Fishing Permit is access to a designated surf fishing area to be actively engaged in surf fishing at ALL times. If that is not in your intention, simply don't buy the tag. There are other areas of the beach or other beaches all together that you can visit. A couple do not require any permit, active fishing, gear etc...

https://www.change.org/p/dnrec-beach-access-alert

Click on it, check it out.

Hadn't seen reference to this new restriction yet: http://www.wrdetv.com/index.cfm?ref=60200&ref2=1676

I've never seen three or four deep even on the 4th of July.

I saw 3 deep last year on the south end of the Point crossing... parked all the way down by the pavilion. Firefighter/EMT group from New Castle County, I recognized a lot of them. There was a March of Dimes event at the pavilion so I'm guessing that might have brought out a few more than usual.

Quote from deadfeat

Personally I fish and enjoy, I have been surf fishing for the better part of 18 years at CHSP, Camping, day trips , weekends and week days. Never had a major problem. Only annoyance is people casting a 2oz rig and ignoring it as it drifts past and catches everyone else's rigs, and people getting pissed off when you are casting where they are swimming and perhaps bad country music played way too loud (no offence Mike! )

Non taken steve.... On the bright side i never had a bad experience minus a missing tackle box.... Only issues i have ever had was chasing people of the dunes and getting a fishing hook stuck in my arm.

Never had an incident with people but I only go out once a year. But once my line snapped during casting and I lost my rig. Some nice kid brought it back to me about an hour later. It was hooked in the bottom of his boogie board.

Perfect example why you shouldn't be swimming where people are fishing.

Quote from Slimer

Never had an incident with people but I only go out once a year. But once my line snapped during casting and I lost my rig. Some nice kid brought it back to me about an hour later. It was hooked in the bottom of his boogie board.

Perfect example why you shouldn't be swimming where people are fishing.

It was still solid of him to bring it back to you.